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	<title>Comments on: The Industrial Revolution and the Death of Craftsmanship</title>
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		<title>By: JackHuang</title>
		<link>http://concreteacademic.com/2009/11/the-industrial-revolution-and-the-death-of-craftsmanship/comment-page-1/#comment-237</link>
		<dc:creator>JackHuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:35:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree about the manufacturing cost for high-end artisan furniture. However, do you have any information regarding exactly what IKEA&#039;s profit margins look like? I&#039;ve bought TV stands and coffee tables from them, and those things are shockingly inexpensive, yet (at least in my usage) show no signs of subpar durability. 
 
Also, regarding Nike, Nike&#039;s prices are part of why people buy Nike. They also sink millions into product R&amp;D (and advertising), but even aside from that, casual consumers buy Nike because the brand cachet, not because they shoes cost $100 to manufacture. Nike could very feasibly see a substantial LOSS in market share if it dropped its prices to, say 20% of its current prices. 
 
People buy Nike because Nike positions itself as a pseudo-luxury trendy brand. People, at least Americans, buy IKEA because it&#039;s aesthetically well-designed and cheap. Two different ideas. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree about the manufacturing cost for high-end artisan furniture. However, do you have any information regarding exactly what IKEA&#039;s profit margins look like? I&#039;ve bought TV stands and coffee tables from them, and those things are shockingly inexpensive, yet (at least in my usage) show no signs of subpar durability. </p>
<p>Also, regarding Nike, Nike&#039;s prices are part of why people buy Nike. They also sink millions into product R&amp;D (and advertising), but even aside from that, casual consumers buy Nike because the brand cachet, not because they shoes cost $100 to manufacture. Nike could very feasibly see a substantial LOSS in market share if it dropped its prices to, say 20% of its current prices. </p>
<p>People buy Nike because Nike positions itself as a pseudo-luxury trendy brand. People, at least Americans, buy IKEA because it&#039;s aesthetically well-designed and cheap. Two different ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: JackHuang</title>
		<link>http://concreteacademic.com/2009/11/the-industrial-revolution-and-the-death-of-craftsmanship/comment-page-1/#comment-236</link>
		<dc:creator>JackHuang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen mass-produced real-wood furniture. It&#039;s still several times more expensive than IKEA&#039;s stuff, though much less than one-off artisan pieces. 
 
IKEA has simply dominated a low-end niche that happens to have a huge market: they&#039;ve generated a lot of supply for what has proven to be massive demand. 
 
Farmers in medieval times built furniture out of solid materials that lasted partly because fiberboard and massive economies of scale did not exist back then. As such, it&#039;s naive to think that the psychology of consumerism was invented by modern advertising simply because conditions in the past did not allow for the expression of such consumerism. Advertising naturally helps it along, but so does the ability to buy a wide variety of goods at a price point which makes rapid obsolescence economically feasible. 
 
Thus, the question becomes: are consumers simply laying down and tolerating consumerism, or have their own mentalities caused the rise of consumerism-friendly manufacturing? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve seen mass-produced real-wood furniture. It&#039;s still several times more expensive than IKEA&#039;s stuff, though much less than one-off artisan pieces. </p>
<p>IKEA has simply dominated a low-end niche that happens to have a huge market: they&#039;ve generated a lot of supply for what has proven to be massive demand. </p>
<p>Farmers in medieval times built furniture out of solid materials that lasted partly because fiberboard and massive economies of scale did not exist back then. As such, it&#039;s naive to think that the psychology of consumerism was invented by modern advertising simply because conditions in the past did not allow for the expression of such consumerism. Advertising naturally helps it along, but so does the ability to buy a wide variety of goods at a price point which makes rapid obsolescence economically feasible. </p>
<p>Thus, the question becomes: are consumers simply laying down and tolerating consumerism, or have their own mentalities caused the rise of consumerism-friendly manufacturing?</p>
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		<title>By: Vlad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vlad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, Jeff, but without particle board I wouldn&#039;t have any furniture! My family&#039;s hand-made stuff would have to be shipped from Romania, and includes wood-burning stoves.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, Jeff, but without particle board I wouldn&#039;t have any furniture! My family&#8217;s hand-made stuff would have to be shipped from Romania, and includes wood-burning stoves.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:02:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you just type that?  
How embarrassing for you.  
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you just type that?<br />
How embarrassing for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you grew up &#039;lower class&#039; than what the hell are you doing using snobby language like .... calling people &#039;lower class&#039; ? 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you grew up &#039;lower class&#039; than what the hell are you doing using snobby language like &#8230;. calling people &#039;lower class&#039; ?</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrey_d_starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffrey_d_starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the expensive furniture can be sold any cheaper, to be honest.  If it took you 3 months to hand-make a wardrobe, what would you charge for that?  If you wanted to make a decent living, say $60k, you would have to charge $15k for that wardrobe.  Who can afford that? 
 
My beef is with the manufactures of mass-produced furniture, who could dramatically increase their quality by reducing their profit margin.  We&#039;ve all heard enough stories about Nike shoes being made in the Far East for $3.00 and being sold to Americans for $125.  Same idea. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not sure the expensive furniture can be sold any cheaper, to be honest.  If it took you 3 months to hand-make a wardrobe, what would you charge for that?  If you wanted to make a decent living, say $60k, you would have to charge $15k for that wardrobe.  Who can afford that? </p>
<p>My beef is with the manufactures of mass-produced furniture, who could dramatically increase their quality by reducing their profit margin.  We&#039;ve all heard enough stories about Nike shoes being made in the Far East for $3.00 and being sold to Americans for $125.  Same idea.</p>
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		<title>By: I Hate Technology</title>
		<link>http://concreteacademic.com/2009/11/the-industrial-revolution-and-the-death-of-craftsmanship/comment-page-1/#comment-232</link>
		<dc:creator>I Hate Technology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You guys are all insane. Anyone getting this worked up over their crappy Ikea furniture has never lifted a hammer and has no idea what real quality is. You guys defending Ikea are all ridiculous college kids plugged into the Borg and you haven&#039;t had to go out and even get a real job yet. Put down your 5 dollar cup of coffee and learn how to do something for a living you bums! </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You guys are all insane. Anyone getting this worked up over their crappy Ikea furniture has never lifted a hammer and has no idea what real quality is. You guys defending Ikea are all ridiculous college kids plugged into the Borg and you haven&#039;t had to go out and even get a real job yet. Put down your 5 dollar cup of coffee and learn how to do something for a living you bums!</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrey_d_starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffrey_d_starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wrong.  I don&#039;t look down on anyone buying these products.  I thought I made that clear.  I&#039;m angry at the manufacturers who produce shoddy goods just to increase their profit margin.  You should be angry too. 
 
And by the way, a lot of people seem to be making assumptions about who I am and where I come from.  I grew up among the &quot;lower classes&quot; I spoke of and am not ashamed of it.  Even now, I&#039;m middle class at best.  I guess prejudice is alive and well. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.  I don&#039;t look down on anyone buying these products.  I thought I made that clear.  I&#039;m angry at the manufacturers who produce shoddy goods just to increase their profit margin.  You should be angry too. </p>
<p>And by the way, a lot of people seem to be making assumptions about who I am and where I come from.  I grew up among the &quot;lower classes&quot; I spoke of and am not ashamed of it.  Even now, I&#039;m middle class at best.  I guess prejudice is alive and well.</p>
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		<title>By: jeffrey_d_starr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeffrey_d_starr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You make a good point about the high price of quality merchandise.  And if an armoire takes 4 months to build, I guess the builder has to charge an exorbitant rate.  I guess there should just be a middle ground.  I think if manufacturers of mass produced furniture upgraded their quality, it might mean reducing their profit margin from 70% to 50%.  I just wish consumers would demand that sort of thing instead of just laying down and saying, &quot;oh well, guess that&#039;s just the way it is&quot;. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make a good point about the high price of quality merchandise.  And if an armoire takes 4 months to build, I guess the builder has to charge an exorbitant rate.  I guess there should just be a middle ground.  I think if manufacturers of mass produced furniture upgraded their quality, it might mean reducing their profit margin from 70% to 50%.  I just wish consumers would demand that sort of thing instead of just laying down and saying, &quot;oh well, guess that&#039;s just the way it is&quot;.</p>
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		<title>By: Kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You sound like an elitist who thinks he is too good to use something other than what you admit is becoming very expensive - which is quality furniture.   
 
Moreover, you look down your nose at poor slobs who just need a wardrobe or end tables or a desk, and do the best they can within their budget.  In your world, Joe Slob is sitting on the floor propping his plate of food on his knees until he can, someday, with your blessing, buy a lovely real wood handcrafted dining table.  
 
Most of us don&#039;t want to be Joe living without furnishings, and rather resent your nasty language about &#039;lower classes&#039; when directed to people who must choose between living with something less than excellent, or living with nothing.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You sound like an elitist who thinks he is too good to use something other than what you admit is becoming very expensive &#8211; which is quality furniture.   </p>
<p>Moreover, you look down your nose at poor slobs who just need a wardrobe or end tables or a desk, and do the best they can within their budget.  In your world, Joe Slob is sitting on the floor propping his plate of food on his knees until he can, someday, with your blessing, buy a lovely real wood handcrafted dining table.  </p>
<p>Most of us don&#039;t want to be Joe living without furnishings, and rather resent your nasty language about &#039;lower classes&#039; when directed to people who must choose between living with something less than excellent, or living with nothing.</p>
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